TRNG / NGLE discussion thread

[José]

Thank you, but that was exactly what I did, folowing the manual. I have the editor installed in:

C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle

I've unchecked the "DirectX 7" square.

I've installed the VB Runtimes in C:\Program files\TRWAD Tools

I've installed Wadmerger in C:\Program files\WADMerger

The problem is that when I install the NGLE package, the manual says that folowing the steps, the program will be installed in its default folder: C:\Program files\NG_CENTER

but after the installation, the main window of NGLE doesn't appear, and I can see that the folder C:\Program files\NG_CENTER was not created.

[aktrekker]

The folder probably was created but in a "secret" place. This is standard Windows Vista and Windows 7 behavior. Or it might not have installed because it couldn't create a file. It should let you choose the folder to install.

Did you install NGLE or TRNG?

[bedazzled]

Have you disabled the Windows User Accounts Control before installing the NGLE?

[MrJavi94]

Have you disabled the Windows User Accounts Control before installing the NGLE?

You're right. That feature that Vista included by default is very annoying when installing programs and other things like doing operations like moving or copying to the hard drive disk.
It didn't let me to install the LM, so I had to disable it permanently. I hate that feature

[José]

Many thanks to all!
But it still doesn't work.
For some reason, there is a missing folder and the setup program is not able to create it.
Previously I've deactivated the Windows User Accounts Control and rebooted the computer.
Then I tried to install the "mk4_trng_full.exe" (13,3 Mb) file, downloaded from Skribblerz, but the result is the same.
Here is the setup log file:

===================================================

CurDir: C:\Users\jose\AppData\Local\Temp\SetupAssistant
Found <history>
Detected FULL installation
Found preference files: C:\Program Files\InstallerForTRNG\Settings_installer.bin
DirNGCenter=
DirTrle=C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle
DirWadMerger=
NomeExeWadMerger=
Result from LocalizzaFolderProgramma:
Result from LocalizzaFolderProgramma:
Start installation: 35 files available for installation
TemporaryFolder="C:\Users\jose\AppData\Local\Temp\SetupAssistant"
Folders:
TRLE ..... : "C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle"
NG_CENTER. : ""
WAD_MERGER : "C:\Program Files\wadmerger"
MERGER.EXE : "WadMerger.exe"

autorun.inf : DATE "03 enero 2006" = "03 enero 2006"
Already updated: nothing to change
cm.exe : DATE "27 marzo 2009" = "27 marzo 2009"
Already updated: nothing to change
CONVERTER.exe : VERSIONS "1.0" = "1.0"
Already updated: nothing to change
Converter_ReadMe.txt : DATE "27 marzo 2009" = "27 marzo 2009"
Already updated: nothing to change
madplay.exe : DATE "10 noviembre 2001" = "10 noviembre 2001"
Already updated: nothing to change
MapConverter2.exe : VERSIONS "1.0.002" = "1.0.002"
Already updated: nothing to change
NG_Stripper.exe : VERSIONS "1.0" = "1.0"
Already updated: nothing to change
NG_Stripper_ReadMe.txt : DATE "15 diciembre 2008" = "15 diciembre 2008"
Already updated: nothing to change
ReadMe_Tools.txt : DATE "28 julio 2011" = "28 julio 2011"
Already updated: nothing to change
setup_wmv_encoder.exe : VERSIONS "8.0.0.0343" = "8.0.0.0343"
Already updated: nothing to change
START.exe : DATE "03 enero 2006" = "03 enero 2006"
Already updated: nothing to change
start_me.exe : DATE "27 marzo 2009" = "27 marzo 2009"
Already updated: nothing to change
Tomb4.exe : DETECTED CORRECT TRNG TYPE
Already updated: nothing to change
TOMB4_Log.exe : DATE "27 agosto 2008" = "27 agosto 2008"
Already updated: nothing to change
TOMB5_Log.exe : DATE "01 septiembre 2006" = "01 septiembre 2006"
Already updated: nothing to change
TR4Objects.dat : DATE "23 marzo 2011" = "23 marzo 2011"
Already updated: nothing to change
TRNG_Crypter.zip : DATE "28 julio 2011" = "28 julio 2011"
Already updated: nothing to change
TRViewer.exe : VERSIONS "1.0.8.4" = "1.0.8.4"
Already updated: nothing to change
Strpix3_v130.exe : DATE "28 agosto 2008" = "28 agosto 2008"
Already updated: nothing to change
WADMerger.exe : VERSIONS "1.98.0103" = "1.98.0103"
Already updated: nothing to change
Tomb_NextGeneration.dll : VERSIONS "1.2.2.6" = "1.2.2.6"
Already updated: nothing to change
OBJECTS.H : DATE "23 marzo 2011" = "23 marzo 2011"
Already updated: nothing to change
ng_constants.txt : DATE "09 agosto 2011" = "09 agosto 2011"
Already updated: nothing to change
NG_Scripter.exe : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
scripter_constants.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
help_new_script_command.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
help_ocb_list.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
Help_Edit_Font.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
help_old_script_command.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
help_remap_skin.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
help_wmv_encoder.txt : MISSING
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
Tomb_NextGeneration.dll : VERSIONS "1.2.2.6" = "1.2.2.6"
Already updated: nothing to change
OBJECTS.H : DATE "23 marzo 2011" = "23 marzo 2011"
Already updated: nothing to change
OBJECTS.H : DATE "10 mayo 2008" < "23 marzo 2011"
Updated
TR4Objects.dat : DATE "21 abril 2008" < "23 marzo 2011"
Updated
WadMerger.exe : VERSIONS "1.98.0103" = "1.98.0103"
Already updated: nothing to change
UPDATE SCRIPT FOLDER with new ng_scripter and new bat files
ERROR trying to update SCRIPT folder:
ERROR: missing NG_Scripter.exe file in folder:
I cann't copy it in script folder: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script
Removing old .bat files in folder: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script
Creating NEW .bat files in folder: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script
Created: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script\English Script.bat
Created: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script\German Script.bat
Created: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script\French Script.bat
Created: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script\Italian Script.bat
Created: C:\Users\jose\Documents\trle\Script\Spanish Script.bat

WARNING: "\script\english.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\french.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\german.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\spanish.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\italian.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: found language.txt files with old irregular ascii format. REMEMBER to update all your language.txt files with [Convert texts to new format] button you find in [Tool] panel of NG_Center program
WARNING LIST:
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
ERROR: the folder [] is missing and I'm not able to create it
WARNING: "\script\english.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\french.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\german.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\spanish.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: "\script\italian.txt" has not yet converted to ANSI format
WARNING: found language.txt files with old irregular ascii format. REMEMBER to update all your language.txt files with [Convert texts to new format] button you find in [Tool] panel of NG_Center program
--------------------------------------------------------------------
installation Complete:

2 -> Updated files
8 -> Created Files
26 -> OK Files

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I can't understand the reason why a single program can bring so many problems when installing.

[bedazzled]

Try the MK4 installer from Paolone's site, I've had problems with downloads from Skribblerz myself in the past

http://www.trlevelmanager.net/ng.htm

[José]

Thank you very much bedazzled, but it still doesn't work.
Don't worry about my problem anymore. I think it could be a problem about my operating system settings. I'll try to contact with Paolone and if he can solve the problem I'll post the solution here so another builders can check it in case of they get the same problem.
Greetings.

[Matie]

I had a similar problem in the past when I installed TRNG for the first time (and I wasn't the only one with the issue). I might be wrong, but for me and some other people installing the first Full Installer helped. It creates the basic old TRNG files, then you can install TRNG Mk4 - NGCenter and all the other necessary files will already be present on your computer. You could try giving this a shot if you want.

[Raymond]

There is no sense in installing an other installer then mk4 first.
So Jose, did you run the installation in all its parts as administrator? As the NG_Center-part starts, you can choose the folder, where the NG_Center will be installed. May be it´s better you also choose an folder in your documents-folder.

[jos]

Hello,
A few moments ago I finished the last uploaded level (the demo one) and I understand it is build with the new engine. Had some small problems with new moves/keytrokes after so many years getting used to the old ones. And faced some small keyboard delays when running and jumping. Also faced a crash using the keyboard to quick but after reload all went fine?

Version=1.2.2.6
CRS=Disabled
Last diagnostic mexage:Missing FONT_GRAPHICS in current level
Last directX error:
START_P1:1002D0D7
END_P1:10071FDD
START_P2:10083677
END_P2:100A8DD6
START_P3:100B2487
END_P3:100E3BF2
START_P4:10007207
END_P4:1000FDC4
............... QUICK DIAGNOSTIC LOG ...............
WARNING: Probably the [LoadCamera=1222, 1000, 1343, 0, 0, 0, 0] script command has wrong settings
....................................................
CRASH REASON: EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION
The thread tried to read from or write to a virtual address for which it does not have the appropriate access.
EXTRA_INFO: VIOLATION ON READ AT OFFSET 0xC6D35AE7
RECOVERABLE : YES

My computer is a bit older being single core 2Ghz AMD2400 and 2Gb Ram. I also use this computer for daily work under XP-home so some settings will be ruinning in the background too. In the past I had to upgrade hardware by buying newer Eidos levels.
I know that TR-engines do run almost exclusively on the CPU and take over command from Windows in a nasty way. Windows most of the time cannot deal with TR properly shown by multitasking and threading issues.

My question are:
- do other people that have a faster computer with for instance more cores or faster Ghz, face delay and crashing too ?
- does the speed of the game improve with a faster videocard that provides more 3D calculations?

[Gerty]

I think that this game crashes on everybody's computer.
It is the game and not the computer.

Also some of the scripting might be wrong.

Bogey found also something worth while and I know Titak experimented with it and disabling this TRB_HIGH_PRIORITY worked like a dream.

You can find more here: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=26322

and here (scroll all the way down) http://www.tombraiderforums.com/showthr ... 3&page=116

[jos]

Any idea what goes wrong here? Just unpacked and opened. Starting a new game than Beyond runs completely in green and Baboon crashes immediatelly.

[aktrekker]

Run the setup first.
If there isn't a shortcut for the setup, you can create one.
Create a shortcut for the tomb4.exe.
Right click the shortcut and select Properties.
On the Shortcut tab, where it shows the Target, at the end of the text add a space then the text
/setup
Click OK. Run the shortcut and go through the setup.
After running the setup you can play the level normally, you don't have to run setup every time.

[jos]

Hey,
The setup is there and the link is pointing to the very first level editor from Eidos-CD installation location.
On my other computer XP runs the levels without problems but as I wanted to play some very old levels I had to install the Eidos-CD level editor.
In my opinion this means that the latest TR-engine is not self supporting anymore as on this computer I deinstalled the level editor some time ago cleaning up a many years old Windows XP.
The common TR4-patched levels run without problems in any folder after unpacking on either PC, so why this fallback?

[bedazzled]

I'm running Windows 7 (64bit) and following aktrekkers instructions in the post above this level is running perfectly for me. I'm afraid the fault is not with the TRNG engine but your PC