General Level Editing Thread

[justin]

What an annoyingly cool trick. You skipped the stacked objects, is this because she can't pass through them?

[DJ Full]

I skipped them because I shouldn't test stacked objects together with single ones. I'll find some ARCHITECTURE4 which is a single unit and high enough.

[justin]

So just to be clear, stacking objects makes no difference? Either way, weird glitch

[DJ Full]

I don't know. Testing just one couple won't tell anything. That's why I ignored it and will make a separate test.

[justin]

Oh i get ya

[DJ Full]

Is there a way to flatten a bent quad in Meta without need to triangulate it?

[Titak]

I don't think so.

Sometimes when I have a complicated object which takes ages to textures I just leave all the faces in quad shape.
Later on when using Meta2TR on my level I can easily triangulate all quads without destroying the texturing.

[sapper]

Is there a way to flatten a bent quad in Meta without need to triangulate it?

Well you could do some maths and move one point where it needs to be.

EDIT: Maybe you can use Selected>Align vertices option?

[DJ Full]

Sometimes when I have a complicated object which takes ages to textures I just leave all the faces in quad shape. Later on when using Meta2TR on my level I can easily triangulate all quads without destroying the texturing.

Good thing to note, but this is for BtB so I can't use triangles. Each texture shape (quad, flip quad, triangle, flip triangle) takes a separate info, so we avoid unnecessary ones in the wad for the builders to have more of them to spare in their levels (the reduction goes nicely and this edition will supposedly allow contest games as complex as never before, together with preventing their unstability).

you could do some maths and move one point where it needs to be. Maybe you can use Selected>Align vertices option?

That's what I sometimes do, but often moving a vertex to flatten one quad bends the adjacent one. Moving them in couples is better, but still I never know if I didn't forget a quad, especially when an object is complex. I think an algorithm to batch flatten quads in Meta, changing the shape as little as possible, would be a nice feature.

Well, so far the object renders quite nice, You need to stare at it for ages to notice something disappear, so maybe I'll just leave it as it is. Thank You both for the answer

[sapper]

That's what I sometimes do, but often moving a vertex to flatten one quad bends the adjacent one. Moving them in couples is better, but still I never know if I didn't forget a quad, especially when an object is complex. I think an algorithm to batch flatten quads in Meta, changing the shape as little as possible, would be a nice feature.

That's too complicated for me.

Anyway here is the maths for a single quad. I used the freeware SMath Studio for calculations.

[DJ Full]

Wow this is exactly something I've been looking for. Thank You

[sapper]

Why didn't you want to triangulate the bent quads?

[DJ Full]

Because so far, in all objects used, this texture only had quadrangle form, and there's no need to take +1 info for triangular variant if it would be used in my single object only. Similarly, if objects I make require mirroring, I just incorporate the flip into a single texture instead of taking +1 info to create its flipped variant in the wad

[DJ Full]

Hey there, I have trouble controlling axes of WM Animation Editor. As in:
- when I try to rotate the object with one knob, another axis responds
- I can only rotate around two axes but not the third one
- when moving the object along one axis, it moves along another one for small distance, before follows just the one I want
- sometimes when I select a frame and do a little drag when the move window is open, the object moves off position.
What can I do to get rid of this, if anything at all? Thanks

[sapper]

Have you tried Paolone's update fix for WM?

It adds extra buttons to use for rotation and translation.