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Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by Fluen » 30 Jul 2015 16:48

A question to all native users of English:

I have learned that news is considered an amount in English - much like water. But I don't know if the term requires verbs in singular or plural.
What is the correct version here:
There is news from...
There are news from...

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by mugs » 30 Jul 2015 17:04

Hi Fluen - happy to help: There is news from
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Post by Fluen » 01 Aug 2015 22:36

So even if news sound like something in plural, it's an amount in singular. I better get used to it. Thank you.

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Post by rjb » 02 Aug 2015 11:17

We're a strange people in lots of ways :hat: :mad: :hat2: :rolleyes4: :hug: 8) :think:
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Post by Jorge22 » 07 Aug 2015 20:33

Lol.

More news from nowhere.
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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by JesseG » 10 Aug 2015 05:36

I think a decent explanation would be that we have some nouns called "collective" nouns, which are not as distinctive between singular + plural. They are usually things you don't enumerate easily. You wouldn't think "I got 8 news" but you could think "I got some news". You would ask to have "some water" but not "6 waters". So those are treated as a special kind of singular noun. "There is (some) news...", "There is (some) guacamole"... etc.

The tricky part is that some nouns can SOMETIMES be collective depending on the context:
"I had some cheese with my crackers"
but:
"There are several cheeses in this store".

That's because cheese as a topping is not usually enumerated, but there are different types of cheeses (blue cheese, goat cheese...) that CAN be enumerated. So it can go both ways.

Sorry if I'm rambling - my sister is an english major and I get the "second-hand" knowledge from her. :-P Which also means I may not be 100% accurate. But I hope it is helpful.

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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by Jorge22 » 10 Aug 2015 11:11

Jeez, it's so hot today it's 10 am and I already had six waters! :sweatdrop:

Guacamole, me like guacamole. I actually never thought of guacamole as something that could be enumerated as there aren't different guacamoles as opposed to different cheeses.
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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by DJ Full » 10 Aug 2015 12:49

I guess any European country should have a contract with Norway. In case of weather like now, we could fill the oil tankers with glacial waters instead and ship it to the South.
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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by Fluen » 20 Aug 2015 20:55

DJFull: That would be Greenland you should make a contract with. They have plenty of it.
You must also have had quite a few Danish tourists this summer, because you got the warm and sunny weather. We got the cloudy, windy and unpredictably rainy version.

Another question - this time about spelling:
I've been reading many fanfictions about A Song of Ice and Fire and am now confused about the use of capital letters in partial names.
Full names like: Quiet Isle, Red Keep and Inn at the Crossroads use capital letters in the relevant words.
But if somebody then mentions the Isle, Keep and Inn as a reference to the above places, should this partial name use a capital letter as I have done in this question?

(I hope you understand my question)

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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by mugs » 20 Aug 2015 20:59

Yes. Keep those reference words capitalized. :D
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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by Fluen » 20 Aug 2015 21:21

:up:

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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by DJ Full » 20 Aug 2015 21:53

I have a problem from the same shelf. Can never tell when I should capitalize a word in a title For example "A Song of Ice and Fire" has "of" in lowercase, but "The Tomb Of Seth" (TR4) has it uppered. Germans have it even more complicated, they capitalize every Noun but not in the titles...
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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by mugs » 21 Aug 2015 00:55

I am no expert by any means, but I've been around a lot longer than most of our builders. The point is they may not be aware of some of the rules of English grammar. Capitalizing the "O" in "Of" may be an example of this point, not to even begin to mention the differences from country to country.
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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by snork » 23 Aug 2015 21:37

Right. So this question got like stuck on my mind :

About magic carpets, this flying kind - does one drive them or does one ride them ?
Does it matter if they have a steering apparatus attached, like in Shalebridge Murder Mystery ?

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Re: Fluen's questions about correct English

Post by bene » 23 Aug 2015 23:32

yes, one rides a flying carpet and if there is a steering apparatus one drives it :)

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