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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 07 Apr 2018 19:20

Update of Secrets at Level1: 10 secrets
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1.Somewhere in the water, you can get Revolver.
2.Jump a series of transparent tiles, you get Lasersight.
3.When get the Shuan Zhuang Key #2 on a raised block, look up ceiling.
4.When get Ying Yang piece #2 on high floor, notice what is below a lit wall lamp.
5.When get 1st golden rose on rooftop, pay attention to far black rooftop.
6.Place golden rose and enter cave above fast current, look far for a red rail with something.
7.Get red dragon and get out to high area above rooftop, go to left and look far for something.
8.In a high tree branch area, find a ladder to get something.
9.Pass a high tight rope, look right for something different color.
10.Get a candle, leave to a small garden, check every inch of it.
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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by Phil » 07 Apr 2018 22:54

There's one more, I found 11 secrets in the first level (but could identify only 9). I didn't hear the chimes for your #10, so thanks.

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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 09 Apr 2018 16:25

Phil wrote:
07 Apr 2018 22:54
There's one more, I found 11 secrets in the first level (but could identify only 9). I didn't hear the chimes for your #10, so thanks.
Which one I miss?
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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 09 Apr 2018 16:27

Finished. The basic hints of level 2:
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Look carefully of the symbols in 9 cirles and its relative location with respect to center tile on center platform in first room.
First door can be opened by step on the white tile before it. For other doors you have to push cube statue on correct position.
With the back against the red wall in big checker upper room is just like Lara is facing opening of first room.
The advanced hints of level 2 (see this if you CAN'T quite understand basic hints):
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Those symbols in circles have same pattern as those red walls in each big checker room around dragon.
Find the corresponding circle of current room.
Let Lara's back against red wall is just like Lara is facing opening in first lower room.
The initial black tile that cube statue is on corresponds to the center tile of the 9-circle-symbol platform.
Move the cube statue to corresponding circle position.
But I still need to know the missing secret in level 1... :anxious:
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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by vimmers » 09 Apr 2018 18:13

have you used a lever in front of the dragon
there are a walkthrough for the level

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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by Phil » 09 Apr 2018 18:14

scottchu wrote:
09 Apr 2018 16:25
Which one I miss?
I was hoping you could answer that. Look at my walkthrough posted here. The missing one is documented somewhere in the text, I just couldn't hear the chimes over that infernal looping background music.

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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 09 Apr 2018 18:25

Last secret (#12) I found in level 2:
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Find another ladder to climb down and go to fire
@Phil: I've seen your walkthrough. But the 11th secret in level 1 is still a "secret".

By the way, I have a confusion. For those raised transparent columns on water, I only use right most 2 and jump from there to grab roof or jump across to another garden for grabbing golden rose on spike tile task. Is my movement illegal? What are other columns for?
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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 11 Apr 2018 17:53

I find the walkthrough video made by author here: http://i.youku.com/i/UNDA5MDc2OTcy?spm= ... 253869.0.0

Pass on two concerns from author:
1.The author-intended way to jump to the flat transparent ledge (which can access the golden rose coming to discuss below):
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Back Jump to slope column and grab monkey swing. Then swing to the farest column and do a series of jump-and-grab and finally get to the flat ledge. The directly jumping from windows to the farer slope column nearby and a hard curve jump to flat ledge is an illegal shorcut, which is not what author intends.
2. The author-intended way to get the golden rose on spike tile:
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Pay attention to each ground(tile?) that has bigger bamboo(s) and counts how many on each of them. Step grounds with smallest count in ascending order, then the spike will be disabled. The directly quick-get way is an illegal way and also is not what author intends again.
Also the missing 11th secret in level 1 is:
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After passing tight rope to get the secret and go back the tree house and up to highest opening again. Go through the opening and turn right twice, walk forward and at some point in the middle, Lara can look down and see a monkey on a lower ledge, grab and drop to it and get an ammo and a flare.
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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by Phil » 12 Apr 2018 00:54

scottchu wrote:
11 Apr 2018 17:53
The directly quick-get way is an illegal way and also is not what author intends again.
If it can be done through conventional means, it's not illegal whether the builder intended it be done some other way or not.

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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 12 Apr 2018 11:19

Phil wrote:
12 Apr 2018 00:54
scottchu wrote:
11 Apr 2018 17:53
The directly quick-get way is an illegal way and also is not what author intends again.
If it can be done through conventional means, it's not illegal whether the builder intended it be done some other way or not.
Ya! I agree with you. I always like shortcut and illegal ways, particular the corner bug and drop-grab bug. :D I adopt a better word to replace "legal" in my previous post. Anyway, I just pass on his concerns here.
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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by Phil » 12 Apr 2018 14:07

scottchu wrote:
12 Apr 2018 11:19
Ya! I agree with you. I always like shortcut and illegal ways, particular the corner bug and drop-grab bug. :D
There's a difference between shortcut and illegal, in keeping with the "conventional means" guideline. I would consider the drop-grab bug (if you mean hopping back and using the action key to glide into an area below you could not otherwise reach) to be a shortcut, and I would consider using the corner bug to be illegal.

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Re: HSwyming - DragonsDagger

Post by scottchu » 13 Apr 2018 08:52

Phil wrote:
12 Apr 2018 14:07
scottchu wrote:
12 Apr 2018 11:19
Ya! I agree with you. I always like shortcut and illegal ways, particular the corner bug and drop-grab bug. :D
There's a difference between shortcut and illegal, in keeping with the "conventional means" guideline. I would consider the drop-grab bug (if you mean hopping back and using the action key to glide into an area below you could not otherwise reach) to be a shortcut, and I would consider using the corner bug to be illegal.
Your POV is understandable to me.
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